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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:51 am
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Easy: Ronni wins!

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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:30 am
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Gee. And you found that out all by yourself and immediately had to post it on the Ronni forum ? Smile

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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:03 pm
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malmsteen loves hes scales,but Ronni improvice..thats why you cant compare Ronni and yngwie..and Ronn is much much better Very Happy


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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:59 pm
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What result do you expect to have on the official Ronni page Question Very Happy

Why compare Question I like 'em both and several others, there are guitarist with different styles, sound and techniques and we all prefer different styles and sounds or whatever.

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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:45 am
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I agree, Yngwie is a very good guitarist although I find it hard to compare apples to oranges.

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:08 am
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no no,you can`t compare..it`s impossible...all gutiarsplayers and other instrument-players,thei`re all have different styles...and whats the reason anyway if all should sound exactly the same???


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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:15 am
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you know what the most stupid question Ronni hates??
that everybody says:Ronni you`re the best guitarist in the world,espesally when people are drunk..I dont blame him,thats must be hard to hear where ever you go...he is the best but he know it Very Happy


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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:22 pm
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Hahaha....i don't think anyone here likes Yngwie better then Ronnie.

One of the reasons for that, is that this is Ronnie's page, and 99% of the peoples here are die-hard Tekrø fans...

Another reason is that Ronnie simply can kick Yngwies ass anyday. Yngwie plays the same things over and over again, while Ronni improvises and actually TRY to not do the same things over and over again (exept the machine gun thing, wich he does all the time, haha).

Yngwie rules....but Ronni just rules more.

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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:12 pm
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I have discussed Yngwie with alot of people the last years.Mostly people that still where in dipers when I start listen to him. I watched Live in Leningrad alot when it was released in 1989, and when I saw him on Sweden Rock in 2005, it was the same show. Nothing new. Atleast the first half of the show, so we went back to the tent and had some beers. This man is to big for himself, and now, he actualy is not a good player anymore. Lisen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtsUlvBPQM&mode=related&search= It doesen't sound like it used to do back in the days. But he sometimes hit the notes his trying to do at the right place, but mostly not.

Remember... he is god!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_tuLEmWccM&mode=related&search=

But this old ones is realy great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPtLcfkrPIE


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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:09 pm
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None or few denies his skills handling the guitar. The man can play, he just play so goddamn boring. Smile

The three clips there were a very fitting summary.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:16 am
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Yngwie was definatley an innovator. When he came out he was incredible, he created a new style.
He has a definate tone and when you here him play you know its him.
Unfortunatley his playing has taken alot of abuse due to his personality.
Theres no dening he has made a big impact on guitar players.

To put Yngwie vs Ronni is a strange concept. As they are both very different and are both innovators.

Its down to taste at the end of the day. I really like some of Yngwies stuff but Ronni is my favourite player.


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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:40 pm
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I'm not the least bit surprised to hear that Mr. Tekrø dislikes people telling him he's the best, greatest, "god," or whatever. Guitar wizard is apt, because it's not placing him in any numero uno spot, making the broad claim that he's better than his peers. So far as I've always known, guitarists are themselves huge fans of music. They also have their own heroes, their own influences, inspirations, and aspirations. Also, any real guitarist knows they have not mastered their instrument, nor will they ever. Every guitarist who's progressive is also the perpetual student, always learning, growing, expanding their musical horizons.

Ronni is my favorite guitarist, but I would never consider him to be on the same pure technical level of someone like John McLaughlin or Shawn Lane. I don't think I could imagine him composing like John Scofield. There are more slippery hands on the neck of a guitar; check out Indian guitarist Prasanna. A lot of jazz and fusion guys are highly advanced when it comes to technique, vocabulary, and application of theory and knowledge.

There are all kinds of funk, jazz, fusion, rock, blues, folk, and country guitarists who all have varying levels of technical proficiency. It's more about how they use it, and what they say with it that counts.

I agree: they're all apples and oranges. Everyone brings something valuable to the table, and everyone makes their contribution. What is Ronni's? The knack for a catchy hook; a great riff or a memorable melody. A unique voice, i.e. guitar tone. The way he applies his personal vocabulary of musical knowledge, technique, and sensibility. That is his contribution to a wide world of great music, which includes many, many styles and many fine musicians of high calibre. Guitarists——musicians——are like a fingerprint or a snowflake: they all look similar at a glance but, with a little closer inspection, you see they're all unique. Some take less inspection than others, and Ronni is one of those who are more instantly recognizable because of his distinct "fingerprint."

Yngwie has made his contribution. His level of skill, talent, technique, etc. is undeniable, as is his influence on a whole generation of guitarists. No one can take that away from him. As shredder so astutely pointed out, Yngwie's reputation has hurt his name, and it has become fashionable to slag his playing as well. He's not my cup o' tea, but there is no arguing his proficiency. He does what he does like no other can, and so many others have followed suit and endeavored to play like him. His neo-classical influence is on par with Eddie Van Halen's tapping and Hendrix's pyrotechnics. He inspires people to play an instrument, or to get better on one, and that is a great thing to do. Many have started playing because of him and his music. Some of them could've picked up a gun instead...or something else just as destructive.

Guitarists are all different, and they all communicate music to the audience who will listen to them. Some are on the same page; some are not. Just because someone is not, doesn't invalidate the musician's abilities. The "quick-draw, fastest gun in the West" mentality and competitiveness is one of the very few things I don't like about playing guitar. You're own biggest competitor should be yourself: are you better today than you were yesterday? You should be trying to beat your own speed, phrasing, technique, style, and whatnot, day by day, week by week...month by month, and year by year (had to finish it!). If you are constantly competing against yourself, you will always have all the competition you'll ever need, and make all the progress you could ever want.

Both are good at what they do.



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Very well put my friend.

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Ronnis phrasing compared to Yngwies is much more varied, more interesting. He uses more different techniques to make great tones. Although Yngwie can shred, to me he gets uninteresting to listen to after 5 minutes. Then I have heard all his signature licks, his "vocabulary" and phrasing already. Ronni uses more varied phrasing and has a much larger vocabulary. Just my 2 cents...

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Just like Yngwie, Ronni has his own vocabulary of signature licks and riffs that he uses over and over repeatedly, because every guitarist builds a vocabulary that contains only so many words. Some guitarists have a larger vocabulary than others, but how often do many of us use the bigger, fancy words in our daily casual conversation? We use a lot of common, simpler words that accurately convey what we need to say, and we usually don't run out of things to say, because there are so many different ways we can use them. So a lot of guitarists learn to form a great many sentences using only a few select words, varying them with dynamics like volume, tone, mood, etc. Every now and then we learn a new word or phrase (or drop some), but generally we stick with what works.

I agree that Yngwie doesn't experiment with tonality and effects to the same extent that Ronni does. After all, you don't exactly hear Malmsteen pick up a slide, use a Whammy pedal, an octave fuzz, or anything else besides some wah. Ronni's experimentation with a variety of clean and effected tones lends to more variety...But he uses most of the same licks repeatedly with the various tones. They're always creeping in there if you listen closely. He's sneaky, by changing how you're hearing something, but not always what you're hearing, oddly enough.

Secondly, Malmsteen tends to play at two speeds: fast and faster. He plays a fast, aggressive song, and it has a fast solo. A medium-tempo tune usually gets treated to a fast solo. And, when he plays ballads, he tends to go for a fast solo. A huge difference with Ronni is that he's not afraid to play an overly simple solo——eschewing a lot of his clichés——that you could hum or whistle (Easy Street, Satellite, Sometimes). And sometimes there is no solo. Can you picture Yngwie playing a song without a solo? Ronni changes gears more often, and you're hearing that.

The last point is that Ronni writes in more styles, not limiting himself to a classically-influenced style. The songs range from Beatles-esque, to Queen, to modern, retro, bluesy, funky, folksy, and everywhere in-between. Although Ronni uses so many of the same licks and techniques over and over again, he tends to place them into interestingly different settings all the time, disc to disc, project to project. One Malmsteen release to the next shows little variation in that department. You know what to expect from Yngwie song-wise, while you're never quite sure what's going to come from Ronni, even though the licks and leads have recurring themes.

Ronni favors diversity, exploring different textures, sounds, styles, and concepts. While his themes overlap in so many places, he has a very effective talent for recycling his vocabulary while keeping things interesting. Yngwie is a neo-classical guitarist. It's a sub-genre where he is viewed by many——if only reluctantly——as king of the hill. He also recycles his licks and techniques, but sticks to a more predictable format, of which he has become a primary exponent. It's what he does, and he has a worldwide fanbase that's very extensive and supports him enthusiastically, even after all these years.

Getting back to apples and oranges; they're both excellent at what they do, and they both excel at what they do. Part of what gives every player their recognizable style is that very vocabulary of licks that they use over and over and over. Their careers largely become defined by how effectively they write variations on a theme. Look at how Eddie Van Halen has recycled his tapping licks from release to release, supplementing them with his dive-bombs, pinch harmonics, and other devices. But people love him for it. Blues players live on recycling licks. It's all about making the connection. Music is communication, and not everyone speaks the same language. These guys speak the language of rock, but with markedly different accents and articulations.

In the commentary before one of the songs in a transcription scorebook, jazz guitar legend John Scofield relates: "It's also interesting in analyzing somebody's style, how many times the same phrase will come up and be used in different harmonic and rhythmic situations on different tunes. Everybody's got a limited vocabulary, and I think it's just how you use what you know, more than how much you know."

It all comes down to personal taste at the end of the day.

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